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This is the channel for the discussion of metaphysical and parapsychological subjects. Please keep discussion of these topics to this channel and out of the rest of the server.
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 5:30 PM
i personally believe in the comination of Religion.... Science... and Metaphysics!
5:30 PM
in a way.... i kinda believe in everything XD
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Pleeb
Fun fact: this was the very first message in this channel. https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431887969692024843/431891141923700736
How on earth did you just know that so quickly? lol
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We are in #metaphysics after all
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Well if you believe in creating places in the astral like 4chan did with Veelox, you can definitely believe that your wonderland actually exists.
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:01 PM
well... my mindspace is different from my fictional universe.... my mindscape is an inbetween of my mind and my fictional universe....
9:02 PM
and im not talking about the astral plane... to me.. the astral dimention is a world which connects our universe with other parts of space and time... but beyond that. are different universes entirely... between those universe, other dimentions and ours... is where all this fiction stuff exisits
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I... think you just contradicted yourself there.
9:08 PM
If the astral connects us to space and time, wouldn't that also be included in those other universes and dimensions where your fictional stuff are?
9:10 PM
What I'm trying to say is if you went out of your way to have an out of body experience, you could experience your "universe" in what most people refer to as the astral.
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:11 PM
oh... the astral plane has it's OWN astral plane that goes out even further to reach those other realities
9:11 PM
the astral plane connects our universe to others through a weird space between spaces place... that isnt the astral plane. but still in the 4t dimention
9:12 PM
on it's own, the astral plane JUST conects every part of our universe together.... but through this space between spaces. it connects our universe to others
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You talking about he 5th dimension?
9:13 PM
Not to be rude, but are you just making stuff up as you go? I only ask because a lot of what you're talking about isn't making too much of sense. My reading on this stuff is pretty extensive, even with the different locales and whatnot that Robert Monroe gives during his thousands of experiments/experiences.
9:15 PM
Do you have any links to what you're talking about so I can understand you a bit more?
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:21 PM
i developed this theory... and im not talking about the 5th dimention
9:21 PM
my theory is a mix between verious sources
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I love theories, but this stuff has already been explored through various metaphysicists/people who study metaphysical practices.
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:24 PM
but have u looked at it from metaphysical, scintific, and religious standpoints?
9:24 PM
all at the same time?
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Actually yes. I'm an omnist that hold science and evidence gathering higher than most.
9:25 PM
Its not just me that has looked at it from these perspectives, but others way more qualified than myself.
9:26 PM
If you haven't already, look into the Monroe Institute and Robert Monroes books. They are exceptional and go through the scientific method of finding this data
9:26 PM
The Monroe Institute is known for working with the CIA on these sort of things
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:26 PM
i dunno... i look at each dimention as a bridge between eachother
9:27 PM
like... the 3rd diemntion is our world.. the 4th dimention surrounds our world and connects us with other 3rd dimentions... and the 5th dimention connects our 4th diemntion to other 4th diemntions
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I really suggest you look into the literature.
9:28 PM
It's both fascinating and fun to read
9:28 PM
And also informative
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:28 PM
i consider the 3rd dimention as our home plane. 4th is our entire universe in full, and 5ht is multiversal space...
9:29 PM
i look at the relationships between dimentions not 3rd dimentionally. but 4th and 5th dimentionally respectivly
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And thats really cool! But The Monroe Institute has people that have literally visited these dimensions and have came back with their knowledge on them.
9:30 PM
So you don't have to sit on hypotheses and theories! haha. Seriously though. If you love metaphysics, Robert Monroes books are books to start reading yesterday.
9:30 PM
The man has had thousands of out of body experiences. And with those came interdimensional knowledge unlike anything we've seen in the modern world.
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:30 PM
only way u could is psychicy
9:31 PM
theres no physical way to travel beyond our world yet
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Bruh, I'm literally telling you that there is
9:31 PM
Have you heard of out of body experiences? Astral travel?
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:31 PM
if the 4th dimentional barrier had been broken. we'd be overun wit h4th dimentional things
9:31 PM
and yes i have.. im saying.. astral projection is the only way to travel beyond our world
9:32 PM
we havent build a device yet to do that
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oh you said physical. I didn't read that
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:32 PM
psyhic*
9:32 PM
i can recieve thigns through a 6th sense
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btw, we're already overrun with 4th dimensional entities. Monroe goes on to talk about this in one of his books
9:33 PM
That's dope, though my guy
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:34 PM
i dont use my tulpas... i myself have abilities... and i have felt 4th dimentional beings.
9:34 PM
4th dimentional beings that are running around arent directly in our world... but in a blanket dimention where your in our world.. but arent 100% here
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I gotta say, you talk with such certainty on a very uncertain and mysterious topic. How do you know you are 100% right in what you say?
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:37 PM
i can feel it
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when i fee laround... i can feel this.... little blanket between our world and... beyond in the atsral plane
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it's a weird echo
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filled with weird residual energy
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and these orbs... it's dark... yet... not
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echos.. voices
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But you talk with certainty on topics I know you aren't absolutely certain about. It's one thing to be confident in yourself, but another to be wholly sure of yourself that you speak about stuff that evidence shows isn't true. I'm not trying to berate you here. I'm just saying you should have someeee doubt in what you say, otherwise to the layman you come across as someone who may be a tad delusional. ESPECIALLY with a topic like this.
9:40 PM
With topics like this, its ALWAYS better to lead with literature and substantial evidence towards what you're talking about.
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:41 PM
i leave my theory plane enough for improvment.. it's not concrete and i refuse to say it's 100% true
9:41 PM
i simply use it to guide me based on my current logic based on what i know
9:41 PM
if i read those books u mentioned... it may be subject to change
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They're not though, because they go over the many experiences that thousands of people have had. Why would that be your reason NOT to read it? Everything scientific nowadays is subject to change, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't explore those avenues of thought. When we dismiss them, it's just a testament of our arrogance in our own opinion
9:44 PM
I think I might have misinterpreted what you said.
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:45 PM
look... ill level with you... all i know to 100% exisit... is this blanked viod that exisits between ur world and the astral plane and or other dimentions... and it isnt the astral plane either.... this blanket... i think is the places where our world and the astral plane touch
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What I'm really trying to get at is educating oneself on the current literature of metaphysics not only wouldn't hurt but would do everyone involved a service since it would allow others to compile experiences and evidence. Sitting on intuition only does a disservice to what a person could learn from reading books that others have written on the topic
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:46 PM
... i'll read them someday but im unable to right now
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They're kind of long books, so don't stress yourself!
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:47 PM
and i'll certianly expand my knowledge... but im actually looking to experience for myself... i've ben trying but failing to astral project for the past few years
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I feel that! Seeing is believing
9:47 PM
You can read about a topic all day long but if you don't experience it, what good is all that knowledge on the topic?
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:48 PM
thats why i say my only concrete knowing is what the place where our world and the astral plane touch is like
9:48 PM
through this void... i can read others.. even if they're on the opposite side of the globe!
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i can feel things....
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it's... weird
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Monroes description of this type of place you're talking about is hard to grasp but it might line up with your intuition on it all
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:49 PM
i've only been tapping into this for the past year and a half
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He describes being able to experience this middle state, and he says its a weird place.
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:49 PM
i took interest in all this once i realized.... i had some kinda hyper sense on knowing what's going to happen
9:50 PM
i.. actually drew a picture of this place a while ago
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What does it look like?
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:50 PM
i described it already... but i can show you
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let me get the picture fo ryou
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Yeah, sorry. I'm more a visual person haha
9:52 PM
also with the astral projecting practice, you've watched Michael Raduga's seminar on it? I think his method of getting out of the body is probably the easiest one that would allow for people to project every night if they got good at it
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:56 PM
if it involved mediitation... cant do it. i dont have a long enuogh attantion span
9:57 PM
this is the weird plane i see into... that person there was my fursona's old design.... so dont mind that
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It doesn't. Its literally probably the easiest method out there
9:57 PM
Okay, thats a really dope picture
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 9:57 PM
i drew it months ago on my nintendo 2DS' photo editor.. give me a break XD
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lmao man. I probably couldn't do better! thats a really cool picture no lie
9:58 PM
Really nice imagery of what you're talking about though
9:58 PM
I've definitely seen this void too.
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 10:01 PM
yeah.... when i start using my 6th sense.. it starts out black.. but as i go deeper... the feelings of energy start to enter my vision. and things get echoy... and before long... im there... in that dark void. light off in the distance with robs everywhere... i first hear words... think words.... and over time it evolves into vioces spoken by the orbs... i was looking for someone one time. so i treversed this place to fin dhim... i found him... he started off as an orb but as i did a reading the echos tunes into his location. and slowly... everything... started molding into where he was... i saw WHERE he was.. i saw people around him... i saw HIM! and i touched his shoulder when reaching my hand out... and he felt it! and turned around to look at me.... but he couldnt see me
10:01 PM
orbs everywhere*
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Wow, thats intense to say the least.
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Vondel The Dragon 12/23/2020 10:01 PM
yeah
10:02 PM
i asked this person about it later... and he confirmed that he elft what i did
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Sounds like 4D travel to me. Reminds me of what I've heard of Robert Bruce doing with some of his experiments with other people
10:03 PM
Thats really cool that they confirmed that for you
10:03 PM
Really interesting way you do it. Sounds very passive and psychic medium-like in nature
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